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Chad
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Posted: December 31, 2008 at 1:39pm
See, that's not really true all around, and in fact, you're agreeing with those people more than you know. Alright, Repo is the obvious exception, but let's take a closer look at a few of these lists (excluding movies you haven't reviewed or commented on, since I don't know your opinion on those).
Here's the movies that they ranked highly that you agreed with:
Let the Right One In (5 different lists)
The Signal (5 different lists)
Splinter (2 different lists)
The Strangers (2 different lists)
Dance of the Dead (1 list)
The Midnight Meat Train (3 different lists)
Diary of the Dead (1 list)
Somewhere in the middle (you didn't love them, didn't hate them):
The Ruins (2 different lists)
Stuck (1 list)
Inside (1 list)
Here's the movies that they ranked highly that you disagreed with:
Funny Games (1 list)
Cloverfield (4 different lists)
Ok, that's 28 total picks (again, I excluded the choices you haven't reviewed or commented on). So, doing a little math... based on the year-end top ten lists, you agree with those sites 68% of the time, fall somewhere in the middle 14% of the time, and disagree 18% of the time. I think those are some pretty damned good numbers, considering, you know, you're never going to agree with someone 100% of the time (I'm sure you've disagreed with Ebert a couple of times).
Anyway, I'm really not defending this movie - I haven't seen it and I don't have much interest in it since I'm not a fan of musicals. This is more of a reply to the #2 comment and the subsequent conversation.
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bluemeanie
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Posted: December 31, 2008 at 5:23pm
What you don't seem to understand is IT'S A HORROR MOVIE SITE. Of course the better horror films of the year are going to be on their lists. I don't trust the opinions of people who only review a certain genre. I just don't. Sorry. I enjoy reading film criticism from individuals who view film as a whole, not just drama or horror or comedy, but all of them. If you restrict yourself to one certain genre, especially horror, I think you lower your standards somewhat. Why? Because, let's face it -- there are far more great dramas coming out yearly than great horror films. An average horror film might all of the sudden become a great horror film when you consider the other horror films of the year. I would love to see what the folks at Bloody Disgusting thought of \"Milk\"...or \"Doubt\"...or \"Rachel Getting Married\". Let's see how those numbers would dwindle with those thrown in the mix. But that won't happen because they would rather catch the latest Asylum release from hell than a quality piece of cinema.
Now check the other films on my top 20 list that aren't reviewed on those sites and see how many lists they show up on? That might make you see the numbers aren't so impressive comparatively.
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bluemeanie
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Posted: December 31, 2008 at 5:25pm
Oh, and to throw in for the hell of it...Bloody Disgusting is for tools. Happy New Years!
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Chad
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Posted: December 31, 2008 at 6:01pm
And that is where we disagree. If I want to know if a horror movie is good, I go to a horror site. If I want to know if a drama is good, I go to someone who has a history of dealing with that genre. If you ask the drama guy if the latest horror flick is good, they won't know - they're not very experienced in the genre, and if they are, their experience is limited to the movies that get huge releases. Again, going back to my original point: if these people behind the horror sites, people who watch horror exclusively, say that a movie is great and belongs in multiple top-ten lists, I'm going to put more weight in their opinion than that of a guy who just dabbles in the genre here and there.
As far as dramas go, there's a large number of people (myself included) who simply don't care about them. Those three movies you mentioned? I don't have the least bit of interest in ever checking them out, and yes, I'd rather watch a piece of shit from Asylum than any of those. Does that make them bad movies? Of course not - but different people enjoy (and dislike) different things.
Finally:
\"Now check the other films on my top 20 list that aren't reviewed on those sites and see how many lists they show up on?\"
\"What you don't seem to understand is IT'S A HORROR MOVIE SITE.\"
Those two statements go together like peanut butter and jelly. You said that \"they don't have a fucking clue\", and I pointed out that you agreed with them more than you thought. Nothing more, nothing less. Do those guys like drama and such? I haven't a clue, but it's very possible to be a horror fan while still enjoying other genres.
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Tristan
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Posted: December 31, 2008 at 6:20pm
\"What you don't seem to understand is IT'S A HORROR MOVIE SITE. Of course the better horror films of the year are going to be on their lists. I don't trust the opinions of people who only review a certain genre. I just don't. Sorry. I enjoy reading film criticism from individuals who view film as a whole, not just drama or horror or comedy, but all of them.\"
Who says they only review horror? It's a horror movie site, so that's what goes up. That doesn't mean they don't review for other sites, or don't enjoy films aside from horror. It just means, quite simply, that their HORROR reviews go up on their HORROR site. Makes sense to me. This site is probably 90% horror, and I'd say Chad and I have reviewed probably 90% horror ourselves. Doesn't mean we don't enjoy other types of film, or haven't reviewed them. It just means that this site doesn't specify, so we can toss a comedy or a drama in every now and again.
And to reiterate what Chad said, if I want to get the lowdown on a horror movie, I hit up a horror movie site. I'm not about to pop over to \"genuinefilmcritics.com\" to see what they thought of the latest Japanese splatter fest. Call me crazy, but I think a horror site will look a little more favorably on a film of that nature, and I'll get more pertinent information.
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Greg Follender
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Posted: January 1, 2009 at 4:05pm
Giggle... what fun!
I don't care a whit about this particular film (although I'm sure that I will eventually see it with a few of my gore-hound compatriots), but I anxiously visit this site every afternoon to enjoy the entertaining diatribe on this strand!!!
Without really weighing in on either side... aren't film critics supposed to be impartial to whatever genre they review in order to keep their findings fair and unbiased? And since final reviews themselves are based so heavily on opinion, how can one critic be so dismissive of another critic's opinion?
Ahh... let the good times roll;)
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bluemeanie
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Posted: January 2, 2009 at 4:15pm
Because a critic requires being 'critical'. That seems to be something people tend to forget.
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Greg Follender
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Posted: January 3, 2009 at 9:00am
One can be quite critical... while still respecting the differing opinions of others.
But then again... that's a GOOD critic. Maybe we just aren't talking about the same thing...
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bluemeanie
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Posted: January 3, 2009 at 7:37pm
Yeah -- because most critics REALLY respect the opinions of others.
YOU are the one who obviously doesn't know what he is talking about...
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Greg Follender
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Posted: January 3, 2009 at 10:42pm
My God... you are an insufferable snob...
I know plenty of reviewers, both online and in print, that have enough courtesy to respect the opinions of other critics while wholeheartedly disagreeing with their observations. It's a little thing called \"class\"...
It's just a matter of stating your case and realizing that not everyone might share your particular point of view and the specific baggage you might bring to any specific picture. You can even commend a counter opinion for it's shrewd observation while still disagreeing on it's basic premise.
Throwing your weight around critically just makes you come off like a boorish, effete fop...
Contrary to popular belief... there is not a single \"genius\" critic working today who knows all and can perfectly review all genres without peer...
All a critic can offer is an educated opinion on a film based on his taste and experience... and if he has any class, he knows better than to flagrantly dismiss the opinions of his peers. No man is an island, my friend...
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Cryptorchild
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Posted: January 5, 2009 at 10:42am
You are all lame.
Really.
I just want to see this.
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bluemeanie
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Posted: January 5, 2009 at 4:37pm
Still clueless it would seem. Stuck in your little vaccuum of niceties and ponies, where everyone respects what everyone has to say and everyone pats each other on the back and sucks each other off in the back room. I am not required to respect your opinion. I find most of your opinions to be stuffed with an over-inflated sense of self-worth and self-gratifying attitude that makes me want convulse in a corner somewhere. I respect the opinions of a lot of people, and not just those who share mine. But I have a good radar when it comes to idiots -- and, no, I don't respect their opinions.
In a perfect world, every film critic would walk hand-in-hand, smiling at the fact that everyone respects everyone else. It's not a perfect world. And your assertion that there isn't a single film critic who can review all genres just shows how inept you really do seem to be. So call me 'insufferable' and 'effete' as much as you want. It does nothing, just like when I do it to you. But just know we're very much on equal footing and the only thing you have going for you is a shit-ton of ellipses.
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bluemeanie
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Posted: January 5, 2009 at 4:39pm
Had to amp up the comedy even more.
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bluemeanie
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Posted: January 5, 2009 at 4:40pm
I will agree with Cryptor -- we are all really lame. I am fine with that.
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Greg Follender
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Posted: January 5, 2009 at 7:04pm
Heh... i figured you'd have to chime in and try and make light of the situation by oversimplifying matters.
A simple, \"OK... I might have come off a bit of an overblown asshole there... sorry\" would have sufficed nicely.
I have no expectations of a world where all critics agree with one another and respect each others opinions equally... but I do hope that as a professional (and your attitude and infantile tendency to insult anyone who disagrees with you marks you as a rank amateur) critic, one would at least endeavor to be respectable towards his peers... at least in a public forum.
Sure, Bloody Disgusting might not always stand on the shoulders of giants in eloquence when they review a Horror flick... but no one I've ever met has ever commended or disparaged a Horror film I know of because of something \"Bluemeanie\" had to say about it.
No one made you the expert on everything, little man... might as well get into the boat with the rest of us and try to be polite about it.
Oh... and borrow some class from one of your critic friends... you are sorely lacking.
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Greg Follender
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Posted: January 5, 2009 at 7:05pm
And yes, Cryptor... I am lame... and I use too many ellipsis marks.
But you have a stupid name and a stupid avatar!
(Although I did enjoy \"The City of Lost Children\" a great deal)
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bluemeanie
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Posted: January 5, 2009 at 11:42pm
You know what -- if I am the ONLY classless film critic out there who doesn't respect everyone's opinion, so be it. I get paid for being an asshole and I'll cash that check every single week. And, yes -- YOU are calling ME a rank amateur -- that's a bit like the pot calling the kettle black, it would seem. You sure do have several people on this site fooled. Not me. My radar smells a rat.
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bluemeanie
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Posted: January 5, 2009 at 11:43pm
...continued lame...
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bluemeanie
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Posted: January 5, 2009 at 11:45pm
Infantile Remark of the Day: You Suck At Life.
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bluemeanie
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Posted: January 5, 2009 at 11:45pm
...continued lame...
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